I've said countless times that I'm not fond of bringing religion into a conversation that doesn't include it. It would be amazing to meet more and more religious people that can truly think for themselves without needing text, and I don't know about anyone else but I never bring in anything of religious faith if I am having a discussion with someone.
Most of the time you want to ask, "Might you please get back onto track?" but it'll keep going...and going...until it just turns into a completely religious conversation that went off course from the main subject.
Sighing, you decide that alright you'll play along and be included, bringing in whatever faith you have to counter argument. I've noticed most of the time if it's different...the other person will start complaining about it, telling you that what you're saying is irrelevant and so wrong and everything they believe in is such fucking fact that they should just be ignoring everything they say. :T
And that's why I really don't want it brought in to something that doesn't include it. At least one person isn't going to happy about it and it's going to turn into religious war fair. In fact, one side doesn't even have to be religious. It could be any faith, including Atheism, and it will go array. Many go like this:
Christian: The bible and God said so. Atheist: I don't believe in God so that really falls flat. Christian: He does exist, and he said that this was wrong. Atheist: Did you not read what I wrote? I said I don't believe in a God so the argument really does fall flat. Can you give any reasoning beyond that? Christian: He just does exist, that's all the reasoning I need. You should believe that too because it's true. You shouldn't say he doesn't exist because I believe he does! Atheist: Fucking Christ.
Before I get a shit storm that can easily be turned around or...any religious people who have differing views could be placed there.
Bringing it in is more than likely going to cause a fucking storm, no matter which one it is. I mean, if you can at least try to be more polite and curt about it, fine, but huge descriptions of why your religion/beliefs say that you are right and why I'm going to hell for my belief and why I'm hated by people because of them is just so damn...tedious.
I am one of those people who live life on personal morals and stances. However, I have seen some atheists come in on religious videos and start bashing on them and others for no reason. It can be idiotic both ways. Have your faith(or non-faith) but uphold some level of respect, sheesh.
I've addressed atheism as well on another stamp. xD When I say this I really do mean...any faith. No matter what exactly you have. Like personally, I'd rather not suddenly plop the Dao De Ching into a random conversation.
I got really annoyed once when I said that I believe something because it's a part of my faith and someone told me 'but God doesn't exist so that can't be a reason.' Me; Well I believe in God, so it is a reason for me. Him; Yes, but God isn't real, so you need another reason. Me: I don't need another reason, because I believe God is real
It carried on till I gave up -_- He wasn't even trying to get it
Yes, a gazillions times yes. IMNSHO opinion if you feel so threatened by others beliefs then yours can't be all that strong. I would love to have a real conversation about religion/spirituality that didn't either turn defensive or insulting.
I'm a bit of a folklore nut so I enjoy discussing religion. But the problem lies in finding somebody who isn't Christian or Atheist. I was raised around Christians so they hold no new things to fascinate me, and unless the Atheist in question is a science buff they hold no fascination either.
That Atheist-Christian argument pretty much sums it up.
Though often it also goes like-
Christian: Well, God says it's wrong. Atheist: Well, seeing as I don't actually believe in God, you might need a little more than that... Christian: You should read the Bible. Then you'll see that God exists. Atheist: Actually, I have read the Bible, and that's what convinces a lot of atheists that he isn't real. Christian: That's nice. But Jesus loves you! Atheist: I think you misunderstood... I don't believe in God OR in Jesus. Christian: Jesus still loves you.
The world would be a better place without religion, methinks... but as fun as arguing about it may be, it doesn't belong in unrelated conversations. It has its place, and that isn't in a lot of places. Love this stamp!
I'm an Atheist, and well, the only thing I would have against this stamp is that Atheism isn't a belief or religion, at least the way I see it. It's simply the lack of one, put simply. But anyway, I agree because I'm an Atheist and don't like being told that my lack of belief is wrong just because a book that's been rewritten time and time again says so.
I personally am pretty open about my religion, I stand strong and proud in it, but I NEVER bring it into an unrelated topic. It's a pointless thing to do, ESPECIALLY if the other person has a completely different belief. I have made my faith in my religion clear, but only in times when it has been appropriate. You don't just go walking in on someone's page and say "HEY THAT ONE THING YOU DID IS NOT IN THE BIBLE, SO STOP OR YOU'LL GO TO HELL!" But at the same time, it can be the atheists thinking that they know enough about a certain religion to hate on it. For example, in my religion, we don't believe that homosexuality is the right thing to do, so someone just comes up and says "ALL OF YOU ARE JUST HOMOPHOBES! STOP HATING ON PEOPLE AND LET THEM MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICES AND STOP RELYING ON YOUR BIBLE TO TELL YOU WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT'S WRONG!" When that isn't the truth at ALL. They didn't even take the time to learn the facts of my religion, except that we don't believe in homosexuality. So they automatically assume that we're homophobes, or that we'll go around hating on homosexuals and throw Bibles at their faces. And it just...URGH! That isn't true at ALL! It's like a fandom. There are SOME people that MIGHT do stupid things, or things that make them hated, but the whole freaking group doesn't act like that! Anyway, the point I was trying to make there is that this situation is also bringing up a religion when it isn't needed, and the weirdest thing about it is that it's someone of a different religion talking about my religion. It just doesn't make any sense.
Holy crap, I need to stop ranting on your stamps Dx sorry about that
But yeah. this is very well made. I love the point you make!
I got yelled at by someone becuase I thought murder,rape and abortion was wrong, and she starts yelling at me saying the bible says that murder rape and abortion were 100% right and that I'll go to hell if I don't start following the bible -_-
Oy, some people... Oddly enough, the first time I'd ever heard of Wicca was in church under the same description, yet they couldn't tell me the first thing about it other than "they're not Christian". Speakin' of which, mind if I note you? I'd like to hear about Wicca.
On the other hand I've had atheists bring religion into the argument. If you say one true statistic that may go "against" homosexuals you automatically got that from a christian site. >.> Of course it doesn't really go against them. It's just true. At least in the U.S.A. Why does everything have to be bias if you are a christian?
Though I agree with you. They should provide some other reason to why it is inherently wrong in a debate anyways.
Honestly i'm quite open to religion. I kind of believe that god created every religion and went down on earth in different forms, and even left alot to the imagination.
The fact is you cannot prove god exists nor he doesn't exist so why bother arguing about it? Unless you can talk about it in a civilized manor or you can prove that your religious beliefs is the absolute truth dont expect everyone's religious points of views to be the same.